Curse

Vindexus · Jun 28, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

The point of this build is for the Warriors to run around hitting things and making them hurt.

The Trapper will trap up the midline unless we really need him to trap the Warriors. The Trapper will also Debilitate a monk and Blackout enemy Warriors.

The Cripshotter cripples the Warriors' targets when he can and interupt their midline. Debilitating is for the other monk.

E/Mo is pretty defensive.

The real key to this build is to just get one kill on their monk, then you can blitz for the other monk. First you Cripple him, and Gale him, then chain Blackout while the Warriors get on him and Shock and Bull's Strike at will. Then once he's dead, switch back to the first monk because they've probably ressed him by now. Then keep doing that and you win at Guild Wars.

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Wasteland Squidget · Jun 28, 2006, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Looks pretty strong. I'm not too big a fan of Trapper's Focus compared to Spike Trap or Oath Shot, but I can see it working okay.

With the kind of strategy you're talking about, I've found it absolutely invaluable to have two shocks on the warriors, since this allows you to keep a monk KDed for six seconds without getting any skills off. Coordinated with Gale that's going to be some pretty serious knockdown pressure for a solo monk to deal with, especially if he's waiting for the other guy to res. I'm not sure where else you could put the Expel Hexes, though given your strategy of zerging the monk a Charge might be more effective anyway.

rii · Jun 28, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Zerging solo monks ftw. How useful is trappers focus over distortion? I play distortion trapper a fair amount and usually it is fine. Focus seems overkill when spike trap is right there.

Almighty Zi · Jun 28, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The build seems to tick most of the boxes required but I'll echo what folk have said about the trappers, there's probably better elites that they could carry.

I have a sneaky suspicion though that the name of the build is totally made up. :P

Byron · Jun 28, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Expel hexes on the swordsman is outstanding. I'm a fan of this build, and I would like to see it in practice. One thing I might have changed was some kind of self-defense on the WoH, since he/she's more or less relying on the boon prot to stay alive. Distortion would be my skill of choice in that slot, probably replacing vigorous spirit (even though vig spirit is very effective on melee characters); it's also very nifty for splitting situations.

Divineshadows · Jun 28, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

The build makes sense in concept to me and is well designed, but why is ice spear on the runner?

ender6 · Jun 28, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

My suggestions:

Drop Trapper's Focus and Distortion.
Replace with Escape and Mantra of Resolve.
-Resolve will ensure that you get off your traps.
-Escape can be used for flag relay running and for landing Blackout not to mention defensive purposes.

Vindexus · Jun 28, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I agree with what you guys are saying for Trapper's focus. How about this: change Trappers Focus to Expel Hexes, and put a Charge on the Sword.

I also like the idea of him having Shock instead of Bull's Strike. I'll update the build with those changes.

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Originally Posted by ender6

My suggestions:

Drop Trapper's Focus and Distortion.
Replace with Escape and Mantra of Resolve.
-Resolve will ensure that you get off your traps.
-Escape can be used for flag relay running and for landing Blackout not to mention defensive purposes.

I personally don't like Resolve trappers that much anymore, I find Distortion to be a much better option. It helps you trap, and it can keep you alive.

Dragannia · Jun 29, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Personally, I prefer Oathshot and Whirling Defence, which together makes a very nice combination.

Suol · Jul 10, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

The build makes sense in concept to me and is well designed, but why is ice spear on the runner?

You cant kill someone with slowdowns.

SaintGreg · Jul 10, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

Sexy, sexy build.

Not a big fan of healing monks without distortion. They are just too easy to spike out with any sort of average gale, blackout, etc spike. I like vigorous spirit, but I don't think its strong enough of a skill to warrant the spot, considering how powerful distortion is.

Also not a big fan of guardian when you have plenty of blind, cripple, traps that do both, and ward vs melee to go around. I don't even like it in a build with less warrior defense than you have, although thats just a personal bias. The only time it really helps is under extended warrior pressure like when a flag runner is coming in, if it becomes an issue you can do things like pass off to a warrior or someone with distortion. I tend to like signet of devotion instead, because its always useful, not just useful in specific times. My suggestion is that since you have only one boon prot is to use spirit bond instead of protective spirit, it seems a bit more efficient if you can only use one - especially since you can use 20% enchanting since you are using energy drain not mantra of recall, but thats down to personal preferance again.

Patrograd · Jul 10, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Really nice build ^^

Would love to give this a spin sometime

one little question - why so much in air magic? Aren't these points better used in something else? Seems to me that the point of shock is the snare rather than the damage.

Wasteland Squidget · Jul 10, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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one little question - why so much in air magic? Aren't these points better used in something else? Seems to me that the point of shock is the snare rather than the damage.

9 Air Magic allows you to run a focus, which gives you a lot more energy and allows you to go wild with Shock. The downside is your attributes are a bit lower (not a big issue since strength is pretty crappy) and you're much easier to spike out.

I ran a Shock warrior with a focus for a while and had fun with it, but found that I couldn't extend and hit monks as freely as I wanted to. On this build I think it's a tradeoff - you can pull off more knockdowns more often, but a good team can punish you better for extending into their backline.

Patrograd · Jul 10, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by Wasteland Squidget

9 Air Magic allows you to run a focus, .

That's interesting. I thought (and this probably shows how little I actually know about warriors) that since exhaustion was fixed warriors had stopped bringing foci to power exhaustion skills, I certainly haven't put one on a warrior since because I just sort of assumed you'd get energy locked. I will need to have a proper look at that then, thanks

SaintGreg · Jul 10, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

The focus allows you a bit more flexibility in when you shock. You can chain it for longer, but you still hit the wall eventually.

I forgot to ask this earlier - is rush on the final thrust sword warrior a typo?

Neo-LD · Jul 10, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

The added armor of a shield is not to be overlooked, and max energy doesnt mean much. Taking a focus over a shield is roughly equivilent to taking tatoos over judges or shepards if your a monk. Shield > Focus.

Vindexus · Jul 10, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Rush on the sword is indeed a typo. For those of you wondering why, Final Thrust drains your Rush, leaving you Frenzied until you get 4 more adrenaline or for the remainder of Frenzy.

As for the Air Attributes I'd have to agree that a shield is better than a focus, I'll change those things.

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Wrane Latrobe · Jul 10, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I have a couple of observations

1) I question the effectiveness of the traps as a anti-melee tactic. Most builds have a draw in them.

2) You seem a little light on debuffing enchants from monks when trying to drop targets - it does not look like you have an effective way to remove a precast prot spirit without exposing your monks slightly.

3) There does not seem to be a good plan to deal with a ritulist in the build. Soothing could be a problem - limiting your pace

4) Without blinding flash/blurred on the runner he can get soloed by an assassin.

5) Your options for double running or half running the flag seem limited with out a speed boost on one of the rangers.

6) The air emo has a lot to do in lots of roles - get the ward up, blind wa on defense, draw your wa and gale/orb on targets, HP the rest of the time.

JYX · Jul 10, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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